After8 8:08 Tue Nov 10
The European Union
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Are you in? Are you out? Are you shake it all about?
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mentor
8:29 Tue Nov 10
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Are there any people from the European Union who are claiming benefits in this country?
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Hammer and Pickle
8:36 Tue Nov 10
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There are mentor.
Golden Oldie will be along in a minute to tell us why.
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Gloucester Iron
8:57 Tue Nov 10
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Most definitely, IN...
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Infidel
8:59 Tue Nov 10
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OUT
Like all sane people who love their country.
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Scraper
8:59 Tue Nov 10
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Shake it all about.
Get rid of Brussels, but keep the union as a symbol of unity.
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mentor
9:21 Tue Nov 10
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Reply Hammer and Pickle 8:36 Tue Nov 10
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That's disgraceful. I'm out.
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Hammer and Pickle
9:41 Tue Nov 10
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IN. Foggy-minded nationalism has a particularly anti-EU quality these days.
We have the choice between the likes of Farage, Le Pen, Orban and pretty much all of Europe's neo-Nazis, and a economic and political project that has brought us peace between France and Germany and levels of prosperity unknown in history. It doesn't really have the institutions to achieve its aims efficiently, its bureaucracy and complicated structure create a deficit of democracy, it is prone to the negative influence of powerful interest groups like the corporate farmers and it potentially allows criminals and spongers a choice of residential destinations (though national governments are always free to implement policy against that).
But it does one vital and very important thing - it protects normal working people going about the daily business of their lives from powerful national interest groups with only their own self-interest at heart. In the UK, that is the public school old boy network so well represented by our Tory euro-sceptics, the very same that poor old Geoffrey Howe so brilliantly rounded on in his resignation speech all those years ago.
All-in-all, I'm IN.
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mentor
9:44 Tue Nov 10
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Are Jaguar Landrover and Tata Technologies still employing hundreds of Romanian Engineers at very low rates of pay, not only keeping English Engineers out of work but keeping the rates down?
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Hammer and Pickle
9:47 Tue Nov 10
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Do you know how capitalism works mentor?
Maybe your real beef is not with the EU after all?
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Eddie B
9:52 Tue Nov 10
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In, but with changes.
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mentor
9:55 Tue Nov 10
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Hammer and Pickle 9:47 Tue Nov 10
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This is a thread about the EU which I do have a beef with. And why do you lie in order to bolster your argument?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
9:58 Tue Nov 10
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The 'public-school old-boy network' is euro-sceptic? Double blimey!
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Mike Oxsaw
10:31 Tue Nov 10
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Out - 100%. Whatever way you try to spin it, it has become an organisation not fit for purpose - at least not fit for the purpose it was originally intended: it is, though, an ideal organisation for soaking up each member state's unemployed and unemployable.
As one lone voice among, what is it now, 27 peer countries, the chances of the UK getting any effective corrective actions introduced at all, let alone in a timely manner, is as good as zero - especially as such actions would be the equivalent of EU-compliant turkeys voting for Christmas.
Get the fuck out, put the countries OWN affairs back in order, then look and see if what it offers is worth the bother.
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11:43 Tue Nov 10
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Our end game choice is in as the UK or out as little england ( with the principality of Wales stuck on the side ).
Just imagine us becoming a sort of Cayman Island type thing but struggling to maintain a ridiculously expensive and unnecessary nuclear capability in order to sit on the UN Security Council etc.
I'm for staying in right now. I just wish that we had big politicians instead of pygmies negotiating on our collective behalf.
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orwells tragedy
11:44 Tue Nov 10
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Mike Oxsaw 10:31 Tue Nov 10
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"Out - 100%. Whatever way you try to spin it, it has become an organisation not fit for purpose - at least not fit for the purpose it was originally intended"
It was always its purpose, they just never admitted it from the start.
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mentor
11:51 Tue Nov 10
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comma
England isn't little. And how the fuck can you compare England to the Caymen Islands? If you are going to insult us be up front about it.
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Pub Bigot
11:54 Tue Nov 10
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Out.
Give me a reason to remain in an undemocratic union.
Give me a reason to trust parliament which hasn't been audited in 20 years.
Show me the pros of the Euro and more so the positive impact for Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal and Ireland.
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12:06 Tue Nov 10
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Bigot, do you know where the power resides in the EU?
It's called the Council of Ministers. It consists of a representative from and nominated by each member state. Each state naturally being a democracy.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:18 Tue Nov 10
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Ah yes. The council of ministers.
If there was a proposal for cost reduction in front of it which resulted in 13 states losing 100 staff each and 14 losing none, making it more than likely to succeed, it wouldn't take much effort to find a "Judas" amongst the 14, prepared to make a bit on the side for making sure the proposal fails.
Fit my arse.
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